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when you see boehner calling the caucus and say, hey, let's aavoid the nasty showdowns. that's saying let's not be hostage takers. you see obama learning how to deal with the caucus. let's extend the middle class tax cuts, right now, let's do it. he puts them in a bad position and making it look like, look, middle class, they are not giving you what you need. so learning how to work with them, learning that we have to have some compromise, i see some tea leaves that we may have a better next couple of years. we'll see. >> it will be interesting, if a deal is struck. i don't think it will nearly as good as for republicans as the deal that the president offered them. the grand deal that had been offered before. you know, in some ways i actually think the problem for republicans and for conservatives is that a lot of their ideas and principles have actually won. you know, since ronald reagan we no longer have 70% tax rates on the highest income earners. nobody is arguing for that. we're arguing to go back to 39.6%. on health care reform, the president's health care reform w
when you see boehner calling the caucus and say, hey, let's aavoid the nasty showdowns. that's saying let's not be hostage takers. you see obama learning how to deal with the caucus. let's extend the middle class tax cuts, right now, let's do it. he puts them in a bad position and making it look like, look, middle class, they are not giving you what you need. so learning how to work with them, learning that we have to have some compromise, i see some tea leaves that we may have a better next...
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i saw a picture of john boehner, this cartoon holdingter, john ehner the football and saying to me."a "trust >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did the parade who gis here? -- did not do that at e. who gives here? >> everybody has to giveve. >> it is true. of cannot tax your way out cannot slash you out of this get debt. you have to do both. >> gradually. >>>> the president seems to be deal -- a two-for-one every $1 of tax increase, he expenses by $2. . 1-2-3on-bowles had a ratio. republicans want zero. >> the business community does want us to go over the cliff. >> if he uses different -- orage, whether their republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you have e an nancy pelosi taking the position that it $1 million, not $250,000. said make itas $500,000. movement ise the going to come. >> we are nibbling at the edges. know, but that is where comes.ement >> i is there a deal behind clod doors that that we don't know about? i don't think so. posturing at this point. >> the tea party is not as was.g as it the memberswho came bac
i saw a picture of john boehner, this cartoon holdingter, john ehner the football and saying to me."a "trust >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did the parade who gis here? -- did not do that at e. who gives here? >> everybody has to giveve. >> it is true. of cannot tax your way out cannot slash you out of this get debt. you have to do both. >> gradually. >>>> the president seems to be deal -- a two-for-one every $1 of tax...
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i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we hear
i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration....
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. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "trust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get rid you have got to do both. >> someone gradually. >> president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal, for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut taxes by two dollars. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. publicans 10. -- republicans want zero. >> business community does not want us to go over the cliff. >> what the republicans amenable to increases in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you had nancy pelosi taking the position -- $1 million, not $250,000. john mccain has suggested make it $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, with that number. >> is there a deal in the works be
. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "trust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and...
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they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you cannot tax your way out of this debt, you cannot slash expenses and get out of this in debt. you have got to do both. >> somewhat gradually. >> the president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal -- for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut expenses by $2. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. the republicans want zero. >> but they have the business community that does not want us to go for the cliff -- >> if you use a different language, are there republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> nancy pelosi took the position, a good negotiating position, that it ought to be $1 million to hundred $50
they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you...
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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so, the real question is, whether he's able to go back to that tea party link and say what armstrong just said, work with the president, some degree on compromise on taxes and raising revenues. i think it's an open question whether he can do that and whether he can succeed in doing that. >> gentlemen, thanks so much. i appreciate your time today. >>> stick around. up next, i got actor and activist ally sheedy waiting in the wings. she'll be with me in a second. >>> welcome back. tens of thousands are still in the dark after hurricane sandy. power crews in new york and new j
look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so,...
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therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he did when this negotiation took place lose yearlastyear. does he have the political strength because his party lost, can he look eric cantor in the eye and other republican leaders in the eye and say we have no choice but to cut a deal that is now on the president's terms? >> i think the strongest bargaining level he has is not so much that the republicans lost the election but beginning january 1st tax rates do go up particularly on the wealthy automatically. that's when the bush tax cut is basically terminated. the president has that bargaining power. essentially in washington d
therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't know why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. make it $500,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of w
but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is...
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you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment. listen to this for example. >> the conservative followship has been pleased, exploited and lied to. >> we have the media elite in a sense on the right, they're making millions of dollars talking about all the incendiary aspects where we need solutions. >> if i were a donor, my biggest problem would be that i was laid to. the conservative media establishment, they lied to the donors. they lied to the base. they lied to everybody about how romney was ahead. >> now, victoria, can these more moderate voices at least moderate compared to the tea party, can they gain traction a
you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment....
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boehner says he's open to that but not by raising the so-called tax rate. he's opened to that by eliminating tax loopholes and exemptions and generating tax revenue by an improved economy if the gdp goes up. people will be making more money, presumably, that's the theory. there's some maneuverability. i suspect the pressure is so great that they will get some kind of a deal. it may not be a permanent deal but maybe enough to kick the ball down the road and study major tax reform over the next year. >> and so the congressional budget office came out with a report last week that seems to give the republicans some political cover here because it suggests that there will be no big harm to the economy if the wealthy 1% are taxed at a higher rate. that said, i would assume -- and you'll have to weigh in here tha, that loopholes are still highly in play. >> you have to add up what all of the math shows and if you -- forget about the middle class. for wealthy people you say you can no longer deduct your home mortgage, your charitable contributions, some of your --
boehner says he's open to that but not by raising the so-called tax rate. he's opened to that by eliminating tax loopholes and exemptions and generating tax revenue by an improved economy if the gdp goes up. people will be making more money, presumably, that's the theory. there's some maneuverability. i suspect the pressure is so great that they will get some kind of a deal. it may not be a permanent deal but maybe enough to kick the ball down the road and study major tax reform over the next...
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speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of that at this point would not be conducive to trying to come to an agreement with the white house. >> so the bottom line is that neither side has -- president at his news conference today or john boehner in his conference have gotten into the tough specifics about what's going to happen to taxes, what's going to happen in terms of spending cuts to try to get a big debt cut maybe up to $4 trillion to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the president is having leaders in both parties here at the white house on friday. that's when they should start hashing all this
speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of...
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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. >> reporter: but john boehner has ball clubbed at that idea. it would take away his party's leverage in calf issues. >> there's a lot of issues on the table that need to be resolved. i laid out a reasonable framework where both parties can work together and i'm looking forward to meet at the white house on friday and begin that conversation. >> reporter: boehner and other top republicans have proposed eliminating deductions and loopholes that benefit the wealthy instead of raising their tax rates. >> we're not going to hurt our economy and make job creation more difficult, which is exactly what that plan would do. >> reporter: today the president argued closing loopholes alone won't do enough to cut the deficit. they will have that argument face to face with boehner on friday. >> one of the most frequent criticisms we've heard over the past few years from members on both side is that you haven't done enough to reach out and build relationships. are there concrete ways that you plan to approach your relationships with congress in the second term
. >> reporter: but john boehner has ball clubbed at that idea. it would take away his party's leverage in calf issues. >> there's a lot of issues on the table that need to be resolved. i laid out a reasonable framework where both parties can work together and i'm looking forward to meet at the white house on friday and begin that conversation. >> reporter: boehner and other top republicans have proposed eliminating deductions and loopholes that benefit the wealthy instead of...
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boehner still doesn't control his caucus. we don't have to ask what the american people wanted. president obama ran on an explicit program of raising taxes on top earners. and boehner is still talking about the romney plan, mess around with loopholes and take away loopholes from top earners. that was romney's plan and romney lost. the president holds the cards here. the world won't come to an end on january 1st if all the rates expire. it's more of a curve. i think we can afford to go off it. >> we'll see. as we quickly approach it. my thanks to the power panel today. i really appreciate your time today. >>> coming up next, a bipartisan plan to fix the nation's debt. the co-chairs are going to join me, ed rendell and former new hampshire senator judd gregg will join me to talk about this. we want to know what you think. should general petraeus have resigned? tweet me your thoughts about this or find me on facebook. oun] today, jason is here to volunteer to help those in need. when a twinge of back pain surprises him. morning starts in high spirits, but there's a growing pain in
boehner still doesn't control his caucus. we don't have to ask what the american people wanted. president obama ran on an explicit program of raising taxes on top earners. and boehner is still talking about the romney plan, mess around with loopholes and take away loopholes from top earners. that was romney's plan and romney lost. the president holds the cards here. the world won't come to an end on january 1st if all the rates expire. it's more of a curve. i think we can afford to go off it....
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. >> during that meeting the president sat between house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid calling for cooperation and compromise. >> we've got to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle-class families, that our economy remains strong, that we're creating jobs, and that's an agenda that democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country, share. so, our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work together. >> joining me now for more, congressional reporter for "the washington post" ed o'keefe and national journal correspondent nancy cook. good morning both of you. last time we saw those three together, sort of a kumbayah moment when you have reid and boehner and mcconnell together. did you get a sense, ed, putting revenue on the table meant republicans were open to tax hikes for those makes $250,000 or more? >> no, they're not. they still say they don't want to see that increase. by talking about revenues the idea is you close loopholes, find a way to perhaps limit deductions and create revenue that w
. >> during that meeting the president sat between house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid calling for cooperation and compromise. >> we've got to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle-class families, that our economy remains strong, that we're creating jobs, and that's an agenda that democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country, share. so, our challenge is to make sure that, you know, we are able to cooperate together, work...
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>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said in the past, that higher rates will kill the economy. there is bill kristol pointing out how we've done perfectly fine under higher rates in the past. >> what he's trying to get through to republicans, particularly the new class that came in in 2010, okay, you campaigned on all of these promises, but now it's time to govern and things have come to a standstill in washington over the last two years, and now with the fiscal cliff or fiscal curve coming, and the president being re-elected with more than 50% of the vote, it's time to make a deal. and everyone knows that in order -- that the real deal th
>> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capehart, there is bill kristol teaching republicans how to talk about this. but it does involve a word for word refutation of what they said...
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to be speaker boehner, a lot of publicans running with tail between their tails here. on deep end like tax, immigrations and reform. they may be caving onssues that tea partiers held near and dear. dick armey, a big tea party player, freedom works, how do you feel about that for one of a better term, dressing down on part of speaker boehner on republican troops, tea partiers included. many, made him the speaker. >> well, let me say i love john boehner like a brother, i don't envy him the position he is in. but i am also reminded of what ronald reagan taught us years ago, good polic makes good politics, john boehner needs to emphasis economic growth, is the way to get increed revenue. and there is two ways to -- two imperatives, dress down reduce, and discipline our government run among so there is confidence to grow in private sector then a tax system that accommodates that growth. you will dress a tax system of this country, from theoint of view of what is fair, have you taken the most simple minded way to address taxes. taxes are about raising the necessary revenue t
to be speaker boehner, a lot of publicans running with tail between their tails here. on deep end like tax, immigrations and reform. they may be caving onssues that tea partiers held near and dear. dick armey, a big tea party player, freedom works, how do you feel about that for one of a better term, dressing down on part of speaker boehner on republican troops, tea partiers included. many, made him the speaker. >> well, let me say i love john boehner like a brother, i don't envy him the...
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veteran john boehner has a big task ahead of him. can the house speaker pull the gop together and try to make a deal with the president on the fiscal cliff as jay leno was talking about. should he? should a deal be made? a fair and balanced debate is coming up. lots of talk how the united states will eventually be world's top oil producer. that is what some say. there are questions why it is taking so long. those stories and breaking news all "happening now." jenna: well, it is a little unbelievable, but there is lot of twists and turns in this scandal we've been following so closely surrounding former cia chief and now others. hi, everybody. glad to have you with us. i'm jenna lee. rick: happy tuesday. i'm rick folbaum in for jon. controversy over the timeline of events over the petraeus investigation with members of congress wanting to know why the fbi didn't notify them and the white house until just recently when it began months ago. that investigation far from over. fbi searching the home of petraeus's alleged mistress, paula br
veteran john boehner has a big task ahead of him. can the house speaker pull the gop together and try to make a deal with the president on the fiscal cliff as jay leno was talking about. should he? should a deal be made? a fair and balanced debate is coming up. lots of talk how the united states will eventually be world's top oil producer. that is what some say. there are questions why it is taking so long. those stories and breaking news all "happening now." jenna: well, it is a...
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. >> is speaker boehner ready to make a deal? >> the president convened a pow wow with leaders. >> the congressional leaders meeting at the white house today. >> begin negotiations about how to avoid that so-called fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> this is the beginning of a fruitful process. >> the issue is taxes. >> only one bad word -- taxes. >> raising taxes is a very bad idea. >> raising taxes is a terrible idea. >> to show our seriousness, we put revenue on the table. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table. >> a deadline. >> being able to work something out. >> there was a spirit of cooperation. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. we didn't know how many candles were needed. ♪ best friend ♪ >> interrupting that was the ghost of christmas past. >> you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> mitt, 47%, romney. he is the gift that keeps on giving. >> republicans did not take kindly to mr. romney's words. >> i don't agree with the comments. >> we lost the presidency. it's time to move on. >> general petraeus
. >> is speaker boehner ready to make a deal? >> the president convened a pow wow with leaders. >> the congressional leaders meeting at the white house today. >> begin negotiations about how to avoid that so-called fiscal cliff. >> fiscal cliff. >> this is the beginning of a fruitful process. >> the issue is taxes. >> only one bad word -- taxes. >> raising taxes is a very bad idea. >> raising taxes is a terrible idea. >> to show...
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so john boehner is in a very difficult spot. we've seen some movement that republicans are willing to put some tax revenue on it, but as boehner said over the weekend, he's not going to raise tax rates. and obama is insisting on that. so i don't think you're going to get, see any type of deal this week when congress comes back. there'll be more leverage games, and we're going to probably go deep into december raising the question, are we going to get a deal? jenna: what do you think? >> i think eventually they are going to get a deal, but i think it'll probably be a two-step process where they get some type of down payment on tax reform and then do something larger in the new year with the new congress being sworn in. so, but how do you do that, how do you have one-step process? i think you've got to have the parameters of what you're going to do next year now. boehner does not want a huge deal in the lame duck. he says that the new congress should be in session when you're going to do this, the newly-elected people. so it's goi
so john boehner is in a very difficult spot. we've seen some movement that republicans are willing to put some tax revenue on it, but as boehner said over the weekend, he's not going to raise tax rates. and obama is insisting on that. so i don't think you're going to get, see any type of deal this week when congress comes back. there'll be more leverage games, and we're going to probably go deep into december raising the question, are we going to get a deal? jenna: what do you think? >> i...